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| 4513.1 | | VAXCPU::michaud | Jeff Michaud - ObjectBroker | Mon Mar 03 1997 18:37 | 10 |
| Please let us know when you get some content worth reading
(ie. like comic strips, recommended stock buy lists from
major brokerage houses, etc!). It would appear everything available
right now in this monopoly money trial is stuff I wouldn't read
even if it were free :-(
Even with some worthwhile content, I think it's still a ways
off before pay-per-view on the WWW is going to take off. Right
now, the way I see it, the only way to make money on the WWW with
content is from selling ad space displayed along side the content.
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| 4513.2 | Critique of micropayment worth discussing | USCTR1::LEVINE | | Mon Mar 03 1997 21:50 | 26 |
| Last month Slate published an article by Nathan Myhrvold on the topic of
Internet payment systems. It's available at
http://www.slate.com/CriticalMass/97-02-13/CriticalMass.asp
He is negative on micropayment systems. This may be a good place to
discuss the pros and cons of this approach so we can have the best possible
positioning in the market.
Myhrvold's objection is based on (no surprise) a publishing model.
Basically, it's hard to price a service like Slate (Microsoft's on-line
magazine) so you can both make more than you would by traditional
subscriptions and not make the cost highest for your best customers (the
ones who read frequently and widely). He suggests advertising as an
alternative, along with making the service free to users.
Two rebuttals come to mind right away: 1) not everything follows the
publishing model. He admits this and allows for micropayment for things
you won't use more than once (e.g., movies, he says). 2) He bases his
comments on a model of the Internet as an extension of traditional
commerce. What he doesn't take into account is a) unique kinds of content
on the net (e.g., microprograms like ActiveX or Java applets), and b)
different paradigms of commerce (e.g., Millicent apparently works in
"reverse" in the sense that a provider can pay you to view their material).
If anyone cares to discuss, please chime in. Or we can move the discussion
elsewhere if this isn't the right place.
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| 4513.3 | browser envy? | BBRDGE::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Tue Mar 04 1997 02:44 | 18 |
| Well I tried - I really did! A heap of friendly but nonetheless
pointed remarks about me using the wrong sort of browser for this
e-commerce stuff - why don't you just come right out and say - "we don't
support MS Internet Explorer"? Anyway, the registration let me (nay,
encouraged me) to proceed giving complete instructions how to
re-configure the IE proxy setup and then produces the following
message;
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V
"Now that you have configured the Netscape Navigator to use a Millicent
wallet, you need to register for the internal Millicent trial."
OK I get the picture - I'm off to find a recent copy of the Navigator (or
is it "Communicator" these days)
/Chris/
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| 4513.4 | proxy envy? | VMSNET::S_VORE | Smile - Mickey's Watching! | Tue Mar 04 1997 08:03 | 16 |
|
Well, I tried - I really did. You want me to change my proxies, which
are working just fine, to use your automatic proxy file? Geez, well,
sure, I'll give it a go...
Netstape
/^\ The proxy automatic configuration file has errors:
/ ! \ http://millicent.pa.dec.com/millicent/pac/alf.pac
/_____\ No proxies will be used
...or not, as the case may be!
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| 4513.5 | | VMSNET::S_VORE | Smile - Mickey's Watching! | Tue Mar 04 1997 08:04 | 10 |
| Ah, and there's another window hidden behind the others...
JavaScript Error: http://millicent.pa.dec.com/millicent/pac/alf.pac
missing operator in expression.
car altdirect = "";
....^
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| 4513.6 | system down? | STARCH::shr-dhcp-16-107.shr.dec.com::whalen | Rich Whalen | Tue Mar 04 1997 08:29 | 4 |
| Well, I tried (MS IE for those of you keeping score on browser usage),
but got no response. Maybe their fixing the problems listed above.
Rich
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| 4513.7 | Re: Digital Launches Millicent Trial | QUABBI::"steveg@pa.dec.com" | Steve Glassman | Tue Mar 04 1997 19:19 | 28 |
|
>
> Well, I tried - I really did. You want me to change my proxies, which
> are working just fine, to use your automatic proxy file? Geez, well,
> sure, I'll give it a go...
>
>
> Netstape
> /^\ The proxy automatic configuration file has errors:
> / ! \ http://millicent.pa.dec.com/millicent/pac/alf.pac
> /_____\ No proxies will be used
>
>
>
> ...or not, as the case may be!
>
>
Our mistake. We messed up that .pac file in our most recent edits.
Sorry.
We believe that our .pac files are an improvement over manual proxy
configuration (when they work). They provide failover to multiple
external proxies if the primary one for your site is unavailable.
Give us another try.
Steve
[posted by Notes-News gateway]
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| 4513.8 | Re: Digital Launches Millicent Trial | QUABBI::"steveg@pa.dec.com" | Steve Glassman | Tue Mar 04 1997 19:29 | 33 |
|
> Well I tried - I really did! A heap of friendly but nonetheless
> pointed remarks about me using the wrong sort of browser for this
> e-commerce stuff - why don't you just come right out and say - "we don't
> support MS Internet Explorer"? Anyway, the registration let me (nay,
> encouraged me) to proceed giving complete instructions how to
> re-configure the IE proxy setup and then produces the following
> message;
>
> ---------|
> V
> "Now that you have configured the Netscape Navigator to use a Millicent
> wallet, you need to register for the internal Millicent trial."
>
> OK I get the picture - I'm off to find a recent copy of the Navigator (or
> is it "Communicator" these days)
>
> /Chris/
>
Good :-)
We will fix the message right away. We recommend Navigator 3 because it
supports pac files (automatic proxy configuration files) and they are
a more efficient way for you to try out Millicent. (It also has some cool
JavaScript stuff we use, but that is secondary.)
We include the IE instructions because we want to support
as many users as possible. We did warn you that it is not our
first choice....
Steve
[posted by Notes-News gateway]
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| 4513.9 | Re: Digital Launches Millicent Trial | QUABBI::"steveg@pa.dec.com" | Steve Glassman | Tue Mar 04 1997 19:29 | 15 |
|
In article <4513.6-970304-082918@networking.internet_tools>, "shr-dhcp-16-107.shr.dec.com::whalen"@starch.enet.xyz.com (Rich Whalen) writes:
> Title: Digital Launches Millicent Trial
> Reply Title: system down?
>
> Well, I tried (MS IE for those of you keeping score on browser usage),
> but got no response. Maybe their fixing the problems listed above.
>
> Rich
We had a machine failure this morning about 8AM your time. The server
is now back up.
Steve
[posted by Notes-News gateway]
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| 4513.10 | fwiw, MS has a patch on its website... | SMURF::PBECK | Paul Beck | Wed Mar 05 1997 13:29 | 4 |
| Well, per the current flap over the MSIE security bug, you could
always configure the site so that if it's accessed via MSIE, you
automatically load Netscape on user's computer and configure it to
be the default browser...
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| 4513.11 | | VAXCAT::LAURIE | Desktop Consultant, Project Enterprise | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:06 | 5 |
| RE: .10
ArfArf!
Cheers, Laurie.
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