Conference gyro::internet_toolss

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		Danny

    
    Who is the product manager?
    
    Sandra

    
    philippe.derarslanian@altavista.digital.com
    
    Simon

    BTW *personal* tunnel might no be available on Alpha, but workgroup is,
    is that any use? - customer or internal use?
    
    	Simon

	Just an FYI, the problem is that a driver has to be written for each
  platform.  This takes a lot of time and debugging drivers are not easy.
  The group tunnel is not yet released for Alpha NT.  Probably next month.

		Dannt

    
    We ( Software Support Specialists) use Personal Tunnel to 
    access the intranet and to use windos based IRC, as well as dial
    into customer sites.
    
    Thanks everyone, I will email the Product Manager.
    
    Sandra

We'll probably be field testing a group and personal tunnel for Alpha Windows
NT very shortly (maybe next week).  They share a driver, so the hard work
for the server should allow us a client port for free.  From a business 
perspective, an Alpha client doesn't make any sense since no one but
Digital people has a home Alpha machine running Windows NT.  We'd never make
a dime on it.

j.

    I don't know about this:
    
    Digital's Low-priced Alpha
    InformationWeek
    17 March 1997 pg. 30
    
    Good article on Digital and its PCs in the NT market.
    
    An illustration accompanies this article:
    
                        The Alpha Challenge
            Intel-based PCs                 Alpha-based PCs
            233 Mhz Pentium II CPU          466 Mhz 21164 CPU
    
                  32 Mbytes RAM              8x CD-ROM
                  2.4-Gbyte hard disk        64-bit graphics
                  15-inch color monitor      Windows NT
                  Microsoft Office           $2,600
    
    
    My brother-in-law purchased two HiNote VP's at Christmas time from
    CompuServe for $1495.  All other systems were $2800-3200.  If we can
    get an Alpha PC for $2600 on the market I feel we have a good chance 
    of getting some business.  I've been running into a lot of Customer's
    using Alphas in the back due to its performance, however, all other
    systems are something else.  We have some mindshare.
    
    	Regards,
    
    
    

will beta kits be available to digital people to test?

� will beta kits be available to digital people to test?

Of course!  Who else has Alpha systems but Digital people :-)?

j.

Great! i'll be looking forward to trying it :).

"an Alpha client doesn't make any sense since no one but
Digital people has a home Alpha machine running Windows NT"

Or just reading the trade editorials?

There were quite a few Alpha's sold with Window NT when the price was low
enough.  Ie., the Multia's sold off at aution and thru other channels.

And the prospect of systems built with the 21164PC has a lot of hackers
drooling.

In a sea of "me too" Pentium's, computer hackers are looking for unique techie
toys and an Alpha for $2500 is more unique than an Intel for $4-5K from Micron.

Btw, those are the price points for my next computer to add to my 20 MHz 486SX.
I'm still waiting for Micron to stick on the $10 daughter card on the Intel
motherboard to bring out USB; if they delay much longer, I'll be waiting until
that add on the Firewire daughter card.  I'm not buying a new computer because
I really need more than 20 MHz....

    We are supporting Alpha NT Client, because it is easier to do than to 
    explain why we don't.  So if you guys sell thousands of Alpha NT
    Desktop machines for the home, we will have the tunnel client to run on
    it.   By the way the bits have gone to manufacturing.
    
    Dan
    

� "an Alpha client doesn't make any sense since no one but
� Digital people has a home Alpha machine running Windows NT"
� 
� Or just reading the trade editorials?

No, believe me.  I did my years in the Alpha Migration Centers.  I know
what's out there.  I also talk to lots of prospective tunnel customers.  They
always ask about Windows 3.1 (but all plan to migrate to Windows 95 before
we'd have a client).  They always ask about Macintosh (but only for a few
"weird" people in the office who refuse to migrate :-) ).  They sometimes
ask about Windows NT tunnel servers for Alpha.  The only people who have
ever asked about Windows NT clients are Digital people.  But it's on the
books now and we'll see how the sales go.  Let's revisit this in 6 months
and see how wrong I was :-).

j.

Is the Alpha/NT client included as part of the "Workgroup" edition? I don't see any "Personal"
edition for Alpha.

-Jeff D.

� Is the Alpha/NT client included as part of the "Workgroup" edition? 
� I don't see any "Personal" edition for Alpha.

The Alpha/NT client is available for beta only (it's a VERY stable beta).
You can get your copy from:

ftp server: oakhill.altavista-software.com
user: tunbeta
password: snowfall

j.

    
    does it have an expiration date? If so, will a new kit be posted
    after that date, or will a released version be obtainable from SSB?
    
    -Jeff D.
    

Expiration of 9/1/97 at this time.

j.

> Expiration of 9/1/97 at this time.

Expired in January, huh?

PJDM

On the correct side of the pond, that refers to September 1st.

8^)

> On the correct side of the pond, that refers to September 1st.
> 
> 8^)
> 
	The "correct" side of the pond shows that it's January 9th, 1997. :-)

		Danny

� > Expiration of 9/1/97 at this time.
� 
� Expired in January, huh?

Sorry for the US-centric notation. The kit will expire on September 97, 2001.

j.

The date given doesn't conform to

DEC STD 112-0 Standard Date Format for Output

DOCUMENT IDENTIFIER: A-DS-EL00112-00-0000 Rev C1, 29-Jun-1990


REVISION HISTORY:       Rev A,      01-Jul-1975
                        Rev B,      10-Feb-1977      ECO Number MLO01
                        Rev C,      30-Aug-1984      ECO Number APO02
                        Rev C1,     29-Jun-1990      ECO Number CTS03

Document Management Category:     Cross-Architecture (SA)
Responsible Department:           Customer User Group
Responsible Person:               Peter Conklin

nor to International Standard ISO 8601:1988

Both standards emphasize the need to represent the date in an unambiguous
form.

> The date given doesn't conform to
> 
> DEC STD 112-0 Standard Date Format for Output
> 
> DOCUMENT IDENTIFIER: A-DS-EL00112-00-0000 Rev C1, 29-Jun-1990
> 
> 
> REVISION HISTORY:       Rev A,      01-Jul-1975
>                        Rev B,      10-Feb-1977      ECO Number MLO01
>                        Rev C,      30-Aug-1984      ECO Number APO02
>                        Rev C1,     29-Jun-1990      ECO Number CTS03
> 
> Document Management Category:     Cross-Architecture (SA)
> Responsible Department:           Customer User Group
> Responsible Person:               Peter Conklin
> 
> nor to International Standard ISO 8601:1988
> 
> Both standards emphasize the need to represent the date in an unambiguous
> form.

	Of course, Altered Visters Software is a separate subsiduary and doesn't
  have to conform to ANY standards! :-)

		Danny